{"id":15206,"date":"2013-07-15T09:57:14","date_gmt":"2013-07-15T08:57:14","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/aidanfinn.com\/?p=15206"},"modified":"2013-07-15T09:57:14","modified_gmt":"2013-07-15T08:57:14","slug":"still-no-news-on-windows-server-system-center-2012-r2-licensing","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aidanfinn.com\/?p=15206","title":{"rendered":"Still No News On Windows Server &#038; System Center 2012 R2 Licensing"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><em>Microsoft since released the information and you can find my <a href=\"https:\/\/aidanfinn.com\/?p=15477\" target=\"_blank\">summary on the core editions here<\/a>.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>As you may know, customers with Windows 8 will be getting a free update to Windows 8.1 via the Windows Store.\u00a0 That\u2019s a nice deal.\u00a0 There is no news on what will happen with Windows Server 2012 R2 or System Center 2012 R2 (WSSC 2012 R2).\u00a0 Note that WS2012 news came out very late in the day.\u00a0 I heard nothing was presented at WPC on the topic.\u00a0 So we don\u2019t know:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Will WS2012 R2 be a new server OS license, where upgrade rights are only granted to Software Assurance (SA) customers?<\/li>\n<li>Will WS2012 CALs be good for WS2012 R2, as I am told W2008 CALs were for W2008 R2?<\/li>\n<li>Will WS2012 customers get a free upgrade?<\/li>\n<li>Anything about the licensing of WSSC 2012 R2.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Microsoft has to be careful here.\u00a0 There has been a certain amount of customer\/partner alienation over the past year or two.\u00a0 If they said \u201cno upgrade rights\u201d then Microsoft would piss off a lot of customers.\u00a0 It would also fragment the install base significantly.\u00a0 This isn\u2019t just an accounting issue; how many of you working on current OSs feel as comfortable with an OS that\u2019s 2-3 generations old?\u00a0 I know I lose touch very quickly.<\/p>\n<p>On another point, their field staff are probably fretting right now.\u00a0 Pretty much everyone in Microsoft field has a sales target of some kind.\u00a0 How many customers have read about the wonders of WSSC 2012 R2, and are deciding to hold off on buying for 6 months because a purchase now <em>might <\/em>not give them upgrade rights.\u00a0 While that doesn\u2019t impact the EA customer (who has upgrade rights through SA), not all large enterprises have SA, and a huge number of businesses are too small to qualify for SA.\u00a0 All sales are measured!<\/p>\n<p>Microsoft could score big by providing free upgrade rights to all WS2012 customers.\u00a0 It would be a PR coup and prospective customers could be talked into buying now (the important thing for MSFT), start deploying the core pieces, and upgrade where\/when appropriate.<\/p>\n<p>If I could make a recommendation I would say:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Allow customers free upgrades to Server\/CAL within a major release boundary.\u00a0 For example, any customer who buys within the 2012 generation (2012, 2012 R2, 2012 R3 if there is one) should get free upgrades within that generation.\u00a0 If we are getting annual or near annual releases then it makes no financial difference to MSFT, and they\u2019re still getting the same amount of revenue for the same amount of development (note that pre- and release costs have probably increased by a factor of 2 or 3).<\/li>\n<li>Do the same for CALs.\u00a0 A 2012 CAL should be good for 2012 R2 and 2012 R3 \u2013 likewise a 2012 R2 CAL should be good for 2012 R2 (if there will be one).<\/li>\n<li>In summary, treat R2, R3, etc as if they were service packs, license-wise.\u00a0 Nice and simple.<\/li>\n<li>Keep it simple: Any effort to implement \u201cDungeons and Dragons\u201d rules (like with Office 365) creates chaos, discontent, ill-will, and accidental software pirates (those who think they are legit but are not \u2013 only because of Microsoft-created complexity).<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>FYI, W2008 R2 customers without SA will have to buy new licenses\/CALs, no matter what.\u00a0 Those with current SA at the time of WSSC 2012 R2 release will be entitled to upgrades, just as they are now to WS2012 2012 and SysCtr 2012.<\/p>\n<p>And before you ask, no, I don\u2019t expect any changes with System Center licensing, and yes, System Center Essentials is a dead-end product.<\/p>\n<p>EDIT:<\/p>\n<p>I was told via Twitter by Ryan Boud (@HmmConfused) that an announcement was made on the Microsoft Virtualization Academy Jump Start regarding CALs.\u00a0 Microsoft will follow the W2008 R2 precedent and enable WS2012 CALs to be used with WS2012 R2.<\/p>\n<div class=\"wlWriterEditableSmartContent\" id=\"scid:0767317B-992E-4b12-91E0-4F059A8CECA8:c68dfb2f-f2a5-4e18-8b9e-377912866118\" style=\"float: none; 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