{"id":12801,"date":"2012-06-12T17:01:06","date_gmt":"2012-06-12T16:01:06","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/aidanfinn.com\/?p=12801"},"modified":"2012-06-12T17:01:06","modified_gmt":"2012-06-12T16:01:06","slug":"more-vmware-compete-wins-for-hyper-v","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aidanfinn.com\/?p=12801","title":{"rendered":"More VMware Compete Wins For Hyper-V"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>VMware made a cute video to defend themselves against Windows Server 2012 Hyper-V.\u00a0 But MSFT continues to hand out a GTA IV style baseball beat down at TechEd.<\/p>\n<p>This post would have been impossible without the tweeted pictures by <a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/davidmdavis\" target=\"_blank\">David Davis<\/a> at <a href=\"http:\/\/www.vmwarevideos.com\/\">http:\/\/www.vmwarevideos.com<\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">General Feature Comparison<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Does your business have an IT infrastructure so you can play, or to run applications?\u00a0 What features have you got to improve those services?<\/p>\n<table border=\"1\" cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"2\" width=\"609\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"258\" valign=\"top\"><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Capability<\/span><\/strong><\/td>\n<td width=\"112\" valign=\"top\"><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">vSphere Free<\/span><\/strong><\/td>\n<td width=\"121\" valign=\"top\"><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">vSphere 5.0 Ent +<\/span><\/strong><\/td>\n<td width=\"116\" valign=\"top\"><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">WS2012 Hyper-V<\/span><\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"258\" valign=\"top\">Incremental backups<\/td>\n<td width=\"112\" valign=\"top\">No<\/td>\n<td width=\"121\" valign=\"top\">Yes<\/td>\n<td width=\"116\" valign=\"top\">Yes<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"258\" valign=\"top\">Inbox VM replication<\/td>\n<td width=\"112\" valign=\"top\">No<\/td>\n<td width=\"121\" valign=\"top\">No<\/td>\n<td width=\"116\" valign=\"top\">Yes<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"258\" valign=\"top\">NIC teaming<\/td>\n<td width=\"112\" valign=\"top\">Yes<\/td>\n<td width=\"121\" valign=\"top\">Yes<\/td>\n<td width=\"116\" valign=\"top\">Yes<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"258\" valign=\"top\">Integrated High Availability<\/td>\n<td width=\"112\" valign=\"top\">No<\/td>\n<td width=\"121\" valign=\"top\">Yes<\/td>\n<td width=\"116\" valign=\"top\">Yes<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"258\" valign=\"top\">Guest OS Application Monitoring<\/td>\n<td width=\"112\" valign=\"top\">N\/A<\/td>\n<td width=\"121\" valign=\"top\">No<\/td>\n<td width=\"116\" valign=\"top\">Yes<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"258\" valign=\"top\">Failover Prioritization<\/td>\n<td width=\"112\" valign=\"top\">N\/A<\/td>\n<td width=\"121\" valign=\"top\">Yes<\/td>\n<td width=\"116\" valign=\"top\">Yes<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"258\" valign=\"top\">Affinity &amp; Anti-Affinity Rules<\/td>\n<td width=\"112\" valign=\"top\">N\/A<\/td>\n<td width=\"121\" valign=\"top\">Yes<\/td>\n<td width=\"116\" valign=\"top\">Yes<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"258\" valign=\"top\">Cluster-Aware Updating<\/td>\n<td width=\"112\" valign=\"top\">N\/A<\/td>\n<td width=\"121\" valign=\"top\">Yes<\/td>\n<td width=\"116\" valign=\"top\">Yes<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>So Hyper-V has more application integrations.<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Live Migration<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<table border=\"1\" cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"2\" width=\"609\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"258\" valign=\"top\"><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Capability<\/span><\/strong><\/td>\n<td width=\"113\" valign=\"top\"><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">vSphere Free<\/span><\/strong><\/td>\n<td width=\"120\" valign=\"top\"><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">vSphere 5.0 Ent +<\/span><\/strong><\/td>\n<td width=\"116\" valign=\"top\"><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">WS2012 Hyper-V<\/span><\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"258\" valign=\"top\">VM Live Migration<\/td>\n<td width=\"113\" valign=\"top\">No<\/td>\n<td width=\"120\" valign=\"top\">Yes<\/td>\n<td width=\"116\" valign=\"top\">Yes<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"258\" valign=\"top\">1 GB Simultaneous Live Migrations<\/td>\n<td width=\"113\" valign=\"top\">N\/A<\/td>\n<td width=\"120\" valign=\"top\">4<\/td>\n<td width=\"116\" valign=\"top\">Unlimited<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"258\" valign=\"top\">10 GB Simultaneous Live Migrations<\/td>\n<td width=\"113\" valign=\"top\">N\/A<\/td>\n<td width=\"120\" valign=\"top\">8<\/td>\n<td width=\"116\" valign=\"top\">Unlimited<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"258\" valign=\"top\">Live Storage Migration<\/td>\n<td width=\"113\" valign=\"top\">No<\/td>\n<td width=\"120\" valign=\"top\">Yes<\/td>\n<td width=\"116\" valign=\"top\">Yes<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"258\" valign=\"top\">Shared Nothing Live Migration<\/td>\n<td width=\"113\" valign=\"top\">No<\/td>\n<td width=\"120\" valign=\"top\">No<\/td>\n<td width=\"116\" valign=\"top\">Yes<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"258\" valign=\"top\">Network Virtualisation<\/td>\n<td width=\"113\" valign=\"top\">No<\/td>\n<td width=\"120\" valign=\"top\">Partner<\/td>\n<td width=\"116\" valign=\"top\">Yes<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>Shared-nothing Live Migration is actually a big deal.\u00a0 We know that 33% of business don\u2019t cluster their hosts, and another 33% have a mix of clustered and non-clustered hosts.\u00a0 Share-Nothing Live Migration enables mobility across these platforms.\u00a0 Flexibility is the #2 reason why people virtualise (see Network Virtualisation later on).<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Clustering<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Can you cluster hosts, and if so, how many?\u00a0 How many VMs can you put on a host cluster?\u00a0 Apps require uptime too, because VMs need to be patched, rebooted, and occasionally crash.<\/p>\n<table border=\"1\" cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"2\" width=\"609\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"258\" valign=\"top\"><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Capability<\/span><\/strong><\/td>\n<td width=\"110\" valign=\"top\"><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">vSphere Free<\/span><\/strong><\/td>\n<td width=\"123\" valign=\"top\"><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">vSphere 5.0 Ent +<\/span><\/strong><\/td>\n<td width=\"116\" valign=\"top\"><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">WS2012 Hyper-V<\/span><\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"258\" valign=\"top\">Nodes\/Cluster<\/td>\n<td width=\"110\" valign=\"top\">N\/A<\/td>\n<td width=\"123\" valign=\"top\">32<\/td>\n<td width=\"116\" valign=\"top\">64<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"258\" valign=\"top\">VMs\/Cluster<\/td>\n<td width=\"110\" valign=\"top\">N\/A<\/td>\n<td width=\"123\" valign=\"top\">3000<\/td>\n<td width=\"116\" valign=\"top\">4000<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"258\" valign=\"top\">Max Size iSCSI Guest Cluster<\/td>\n<td width=\"110\" valign=\"top\">N\/A<\/td>\n<td width=\"123\" valign=\"top\">0<\/td>\n<td width=\"116\" valign=\"top\">64 Nodes<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"258\" valign=\"top\">Max Size Fibre Channel Guest Cluster<\/td>\n<td width=\"110\" valign=\"top\">2 Nodes<\/td>\n<td width=\"123\" valign=\"top\">2 Nodes<\/td>\n<td width=\"116\" valign=\"top\">64 Nodes<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"258\" valign=\"top\">Max Size File Based Guest Cluster<\/td>\n<td width=\"110\" valign=\"top\">0<\/td>\n<td width=\"123\" valign=\"top\">0<\/td>\n<td width=\"116\" valign=\"top\">64 Nodes<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"258\" valign=\"top\">Guest Clustering with Live Migration Support<\/td>\n<td width=\"110\" valign=\"top\">N\/A<\/td>\n<td width=\"123\" valign=\"top\">No<\/td>\n<td width=\"116\" valign=\"top\">Yes<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"258\" valign=\"top\">Guest Clustering with Dynamic Memory Support<\/td>\n<td width=\"110\" valign=\"top\">No<\/td>\n<td width=\"123\" valign=\"top\">No<\/td>\n<td width=\"116\" valign=\"top\">Yes<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>Based on this data, WS2012 Hyper-V is the superior platform for scalability and fault tolerance.<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Virtual Switches<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>In a cloud, the virtual switch plays a huge role.\u00a0 How do they stack up against each other?<\/p>\n<table border=\"1\" cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"2\" width=\"609\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"258\" valign=\"top\"><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Capability<\/span><\/strong><\/td>\n<td width=\"110\" valign=\"top\"><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">vSphere Free<\/span><\/strong><\/td>\n<td width=\"123\" valign=\"top\"><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">vSphere 5.0 Ent +<\/span><\/strong><\/td>\n<td width=\"116\" valign=\"top\"><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">WS2012 Hyper-V<\/span><\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"258\" valign=\"top\">Extensible Switch<\/td>\n<td width=\"110\" valign=\"top\">No<\/td>\n<td width=\"123\" valign=\"top\">Replaceable<\/td>\n<td width=\"116\" valign=\"top\">Yes<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"258\" valign=\"top\">Confirmed partner extensions<\/td>\n<td width=\"110\" valign=\"top\">No<\/td>\n<td width=\"123\" valign=\"top\">2<\/td>\n<td width=\"116\" valign=\"top\">4<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"258\" valign=\"top\">PVLAN<\/td>\n<td width=\"110\" valign=\"top\">No<\/td>\n<td width=\"123\" valign=\"top\">Yes<\/td>\n<td width=\"116\" valign=\"top\">Yes<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"258\" valign=\"top\">ARP\/ND Spoofing Protection<\/td>\n<td width=\"110\" valign=\"top\">No<\/td>\n<td width=\"123\" valign=\"top\">vShield\/Partner<\/td>\n<td width=\"116\" valign=\"top\">Yes<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"258\" valign=\"top\">DHCP Snooping Protection<\/td>\n<td width=\"110\" valign=\"top\">No<\/td>\n<td width=\"123\" valign=\"top\">vShield\/Partner<\/td>\n<td width=\"116\" valign=\"top\">Yes<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"258\" valign=\"top\">Virtual Port ACLs<\/td>\n<td width=\"110\" valign=\"top\">No<\/td>\n<td width=\"123\" valign=\"top\">vShield\/Partner<\/td>\n<td width=\"116\" valign=\"top\">Yes<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"258\" valign=\"top\">Trunk Mode to VMs<\/td>\n<td width=\"110\" valign=\"top\">No<\/td>\n<td width=\"123\" valign=\"top\">No<\/td>\n<td width=\"116\" valign=\"top\">Yes<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"258\" valign=\"top\">Port Monitoring<\/td>\n<td width=\"110\" valign=\"top\">Per Port Group<\/td>\n<td width=\"123\" valign=\"top\">Yes<\/td>\n<td width=\"116\" valign=\"top\">Yes<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"258\" valign=\"top\">Port Mirroring<\/td>\n<td width=\"110\" valign=\"top\">Per Port Group<\/td>\n<td width=\"123\" valign=\"top\">Yes<\/td>\n<td width=\"116\" valign=\"top\">No<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>Another win for WS 2012 Hyper-V.\u00a0 Note that vShield is an additional purchase on top of vSphere.\u00a0 Hyper-V is the clear feature winner in cloud networking.<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Network Optimisations<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<table border=\"1\" cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"2\" width=\"609\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"264\" valign=\"top\"><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Capability<\/span><\/strong><\/td>\n<td width=\"104\" valign=\"top\"><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">vSphere Free<\/span><\/strong><\/td>\n<td width=\"123\" valign=\"top\"><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">vSphere 5.0 Ent +<\/span><\/strong><\/td>\n<td width=\"116\" valign=\"top\"><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">WS2012 Hyper-V<\/span><\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"264\" valign=\"top\">Dynamic Virtual Machine Queue (DVMQ)<\/td>\n<td width=\"104\" valign=\"top\">NetQueue<\/td>\n<td width=\"123\" valign=\"top\">netQueue<\/td>\n<td width=\"116\" valign=\"top\">Yes<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"264\" valign=\"top\">IPsec Task Offload<\/td>\n<td width=\"104\" valign=\"top\">No<\/td>\n<td width=\"123\" valign=\"top\">No<\/td>\n<td width=\"116\" valign=\"top\">Yes<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"264\" valign=\"top\">SR-IOV<\/td>\n<td width=\"104\" valign=\"top\">DirectPath I\/O<\/td>\n<td width=\"123\" valign=\"top\">DirectPath I\/O<\/td>\n<td width=\"116\" valign=\"top\">Yes<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"264\" valign=\"top\">Storage Encryption (CSV vs VMFS)<\/td>\n<td width=\"104\" valign=\"top\">No<\/td>\n<td width=\"123\" valign=\"top\">No<\/td>\n<td width=\"116\" valign=\"top\">Yes<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<ul>\n<li>NetQueue supports a subset of the VMware HCL<\/li>\n<li>Apparently DirectPath I\/O VMs cannot vMotion (Live Migrate) without certain Cisco UCS (blade server centres) configurations<\/li>\n<li>No physical security for VMFS SANs in the data center or cololated hosting<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Hyper-V wins on the optimisation side of things for denser and higher throughput network loads.<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">VMware Fault Tolerance<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>FT feature: Run a hot standby VM on another host, taking over if another host should fail.<\/p>\n<p>Required sacrifices:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>4 FT VMs per host with no memory overcommit: expensive because of low host density<\/li>\n<li>1 vCPU per FT VM: Surely VMs that require FT would require more than one logical processor (physical thread of execution)?<\/li>\n<li>EPT\/RVI (SLAT) disabled: No offloaded memory management.\u00a0 This boosts VM performance by around 20% so I guess this FT VM doesn\u2019t require performance.<\/li>\n<li>Hot-plug disabled: no hot adding devices such as disks<\/li>\n<li>No snapshots: not such a big deal for a production VM in my opinion<\/li>\n<li>No VCB (VSS) backups: This is a big deal, because now you have to do a traditional \u201ciron\u201d backup of the VM, requiring custom backup policy, discarding the benefits of storage level backup for VMs<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>If cost reduction is the #1 reason for implementing virtualisation, then VMware FT seems like a complete oxymoron to me.\u00a0 VMware FT is a chocolate kettle.\u00a0 It sounds good, but don\u2019t try boil water with it.<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">VMware Autodeploy<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Centrally deploy a Hypervisor from a central console.<\/p>\n<p>We have System Center 2012 Virtual Machine Manager for bare metal deployment.\u00a0 Yes, it\u2019s a bit more complex to setup.\u00a0 B-u-t \u2026 with converged fabrics in WS2012, Hyper-V networking is actually getting much easier.<\/p>\n<p>And even with System Center 2012 Datacenter, the MSFT solution is way cheaper than the vSphere alternative, and provides a complete cloud in the package, whereas vSphere is only the start of your vTaxation for disparate point solutions that contradict desires for a deeply integrated, automated, connected, self-service infrastructure.<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">More Stuff<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I didn\u2019t see anything on SRM versus Hyper-V Replica but I guess it was probably discussed.\u00a0 SRM is allegedly $250-$400 per VM.\u00a0 Hyper-V Replica is free and even baked into the free Hyper-V Server.\u00a0 And Hyper-V Replica works with cloud vendors as well as internal sites.\u00a0 Orchestration of failover can be done manually, by very simple PowerShell scripts, or with System Center 2012 Orchestrator (demonstrated in day 1 <a href=\"https:\/\/aidanfinn.com\/?p=12734\" target=\"_blank\">keynote<\/a>).<\/p>\n<p>I don\u2019t know anything about vSphere support for Infiniband and RDMA, both supported by WS2012.\u00a0 In fact, today it was <a href=\"http:\/\/www.storagereview.com\/mellanox_rdma_infiniband_interconnects_post_record_performance_with_windows_server_2012_hyperv\" target=\"_blank\">reported<\/a> that WS2012 RC Hyper-V benchmarked at 10.36 GigaBYTES\/second (not Gbps) with 4.6% CPU overhead.<\/p>\n<p>I also don\u2019t know if VMware supports network abstraction, as in Hyper-V Network Virtualisation, essential for mobility between different networks and cloud consolidation\/migration.<\/p>\n<p>Take some time to review the <a href=\"https:\/\/aidanfinn.com\/?p=11979\" target=\"_blank\">new features in WS2012 Hyper-V<\/a>.<\/p>\n<div id=\"scid:0767317B-992E-4b12-91E0-4F059A8CECA8:61e578ba-84ce-492e-8882-63cc59b537c2\" class=\"wlWriterEditableSmartContent\" style=\"margin: 0px; display: inline; float: none; padding: 0px;\">Technorati Tags: <a rel=\"tag\" href=\"http:\/\/technorati.com\/tags\/Event+Notes\">Event Notes<\/a>,<a 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