{"id":11328,"date":"2011-07-19T19:44:29","date_gmt":"2011-07-19T19:44:29","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/aidanfinn.com\/?p=11328"},"modified":"2011-07-19T19:44:29","modified_gmt":"2011-07-19T19:44:29","slug":"more-on-the-vmware-fiasco","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aidanfinn.com\/?p=11328","title":{"rendered":"More on the VMware Fiasco"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Thanks to Kristian Nese for the tweet\/heads up.&#160; There\u2019s a thread on VMware\u2019s forums that is currently at <a href=\"http:\/\/communities.vmware.com\/thread\/320877?start=0&amp;tstart=0\">49 pages of VMware customers ranting about the eventual huge price increase<\/a>.&#160; <\/p>\n<p>I did have someone criticise my pricing of VMware in my last <a href=\"https:\/\/aidanfinn.com\/?p=11320\">post<\/a> on the subject.&#160; I chose 4 copies of vSphere 5 Enterprise Plus&#160; to license a 2 CPU server with 192 GB RAM, costing $13,980 to license your virtualisation for that hardware.&#160; The criticism was that I should have used 8 copies of vSphere 5 Standard instead.&#160; That\u2019s kind of tough to do.&#160; Microsoft and VMware mix and match features differently.&#160; For example DRS.&#160; VMware put it in their vSphere package.&#160; Hyper-V does not have DRS but SCVMM 2012 provides it under a different name.&#160; You\u2019ll also find the same is true of Distributed Power Management.&#160; My previous comparison included System Center Management Suite, which by the way provides upgrade rights (like a built-in software assurance).&#160; vSphere 5 Standard does not include DRS or Distributed Power Management.<\/p>\n<p>Many VMware folks fail to remember that ESXi = Hyper-V, vSphere = Hyper-V + System Center (but the MSFT option is cheaper to buy and own).&#160; Hyper-V + System Center is <em>much<\/em> more than vSphere Standard.<\/p>\n<p>Anyway, to keep people happy \u2026 a copy of vSphere Standard costs $995:<\/p>\n<table border=\"1\" cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"2\" width=\"570\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td valign=\"top\" width=\"100\"><strong><u>Product<\/u><\/strong><\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\" width=\"100\"><strong><u>Microsoft<\/u><\/strong><\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\" width=\"100\"><strong><u>VMware<\/u><\/strong><\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\" width=\"268\"><strong><u>Comment<\/u><\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=\"top\" width=\"100\">Virtualisation<\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\" width=\"100\">Free<\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\" width=\"100\">8 * vSphere 5 Standard Plus $7,960<\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\" width=\"268\">Hyper-V is included in Windows licensing so it\u2019s free. The Microsoft option is already $7,960 ahead.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=\"top\" width=\"100\">Windows for unlimited VMs<\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\" width=\"100\">\n<p>2 * Windows Server DC            <br \/>$5,998<\/p>\n<\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\" width=\"100\">\n<p>2 * Windows Server DC            <br \/>$5,998<\/p>\n<\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\" width=\"268\">This applies to anyone on any virtualisation platform.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=\"top\" width=\"100\">Monitoring<\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\" width=\"100\">\n<p>System Center Management Suite DC            <br \/>$5,240<\/p>\n<\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\" width=\"100\">\n<p>vCenter Operations (25 VM pack) * 2<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/store.vmware.com\/store\/vmware\/en_US\/pd\/productID.227748100\/?resid=TiCCkQoHArEAAEvO9HIAAAA3&amp;rests=1310753425590\">$7,564<\/a><\/p>\n<\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\" width=\"268\">Not a good comparison: MSFT option includes licensing to use all of Microsoft\u2019s System Center products and it\u2019s still around 1\/3 cheaper!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=\"top\" width=\"100\">Total<\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\" width=\"100\"><strong>$11,238<\/strong><\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\" width=\"100\"><strong>$21,522<\/strong><\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\" width=\"268\">Now the MSFT option is only 52% of the cost of the VMware option, but thanks to System Center 2012, MSFT has some of those \u201ccritical\u201d virtualisation features like power optimisation and DRS not in this vSphere 5 option.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>To be fair, one could monitor that VMware server and it\u2019s VMs using System Center Operations Manager.&#160; Given the density, a SMSD license (as in the VMware option) could be used to limit costs.&#160; However, a 3rd party management pack from Veeam (which looks excellent) or Quest (which I have not seen) would have to be purchased to enable VMware virtualisation monitoring.&#160; Then you could dump vCenter Operations.&#160; I reckon that would cost around $6,200 (including 3rd party management pack), saving around $1,300 from the VMware column.<\/p>\n<p>I got a very interesting email overnight.&#160; The author (thanks by the way) said:<\/p>\n<p><em>Renata Budko, vp marketing at HyTrust: \u201cWith vSphere 5.0 new licensing model, VMware is trying to capture a larger portion of the value, particularly from the customers who are reaping the benefits of virtualization with aggressive consolidation ratios of 10:1 or higher. The new model will put more emphasis on right-sizing the virtual machines and just in time provisioning.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n<p>So here\u2019s the message:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>VMware are doing you a favour by increasing the cost of virtualisation.&#160; It reinforces the value of their product.&#160; I\u2019m filing that under &quot;Things that make you go hmmm\u201d.<\/li>\n<li>VMware are helping you \u201cright-size\u201d your virtualisation hosts by punishing you for \u201cover speccing\u201d your hosts.&#160; That\u2019s so generous of them!&#160; I\u2019m sure the plan wasn\u2019t to hurt your budget and improve their bottom line.&#160; Not at all.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>I\u2019ve also read\/heard that VMware aren\u2019t concerned about their customers switching to Hyper-V.&#160; Maybe they should read that <a href=\"http:\/\/communities.vmware.com\/thread\/320877?start=0&amp;tstart=0\">49 page thread<\/a>.&#160; I talked to a few people over the last few days in the VMware market and it sure got them concerned. <\/p>\n<p>Let me finish by saying (again) that VMware do make a great virtualisation product.&#160; I just happen to believe that\u2019s where they stop being great.&#160; Saying you have superior management is easy.&#160; But when your alleged superiority is a virtualisation layer product and a 1990\u2019s style framework of recently acquired products then you\u2019re really stretching it.&#160; <\/p>\n<p>Businesses don\u2019t care all that much about virtualisation.&#160; They care about line of business applications that enable operations and profit generation.&#160; That\u2019s why we have all this talk about cloud and consumerisation of IT. Some little strip of software is of little interest to a CIO\/CEO.&#160; But managing that CRM or web sales application, ensuring SLA, rapid provision and flexibility are.&#160; And it\u2019s that layer that Microsoft has everyone beat.&#160; And that\u2019s why I got into Hyper-V back in 2008.<\/p>\n<div style=\"padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; display: inline; float: none; padding-top: 0px\" id=\"scid:0767317B-992E-4b12-91E0-4F059A8CECA8:4badc014-a6f9-447f-830a-095c2a2c5be7\" class=\"wlWriterEditableSmartContent\">Technorati Tags: <a href=\"http:\/\/technorati.com\/tags\/Hyper-V\" rel=\"tag\">Hyper-V<\/a>,<a href=\"http:\/\/technorati.com\/tags\/VMware\" rel=\"tag\">VMware<\/a>,<a href=\"http:\/\/technorati.com\/tags\/System+Center\" rel=\"tag\">System Center<\/a>,<a href=\"http:\/\/technorati.com\/tags\/Virtualisation\" rel=\"tag\">Virtualisation<\/a><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Thanks to Kristian Nese for the tweet\/heads up.&#160; There\u2019s a thread on VMware\u2019s forums that is currently at 49 pages of VMware customers ranting about the eventual huge price increase.&#160; I did have someone criticise my pricing of VMware in my last post on the subject.&#160; I chose 4 copies of vSphere 5 Enterprise Plus&#160; &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/aidanfinn.com\/?p=11328\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;More on the VMware Fiasco&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"_uf_show_specific_survey":0,"_uf_disable_surveys":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[46],"tags":[181,193,195,103],"class_list":["post-11328","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-virtualisation","tag-hyper-v","tag-system-center","tag-virtualisation","tag-vmware"],"aioseo_notices":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","amp_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aidanfinn.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/11328","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aidanfinn.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aidanfinn.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aidanfinn.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aidanfinn.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=11328"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/aidanfinn.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/11328\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aidanfinn.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=11328"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aidanfinn.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=11328"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aidanfinn.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=11328"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}