{"id":11077,"date":"2011-03-07T19:49:22","date_gmt":"2011-03-07T19:49:22","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/aidanfinn.com\/?p=11077"},"modified":"2011-03-07T19:49:22","modified_gmt":"2011-03-07T19:49:22","slug":"remotefx-for-everyone","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aidanfinn.com\/?p=11077","title":{"rendered":"RemoteFX for Everyone?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>A question that is bouncing around now is: Should I plan on using RemoteFX for everyone?<\/p>\n<p>Short answer: probably not.<\/p>\n<p>Long answer: \u2026<\/p>\n<p>Let\u2019s step back.&#160; In 1996 you probably (or your colleagues\/predecessors) gave everyone a laptop or PC.&#160; Then we all started hearing about this thing called server based computing.&#160; The big players were Citrix with something called WinFrame, based on Windows Server NT 3.51 (when it required real IT pros to network a PC or server).&#160; Not long after that the Citrix\/MS relationship changed and we had Terminal Services which could be extended by the Citrix solution.<\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s about when some sales &amp; marketing people (we didn\u2019t have bloggers back then, did we?), and yes, a few of us consultants, started shouting that the PC was dead \u2026 long live the server!<\/p>\n<p>Things didn\u2019t quite work out like that.&#160; Instead, Terminal Services (and the rest) usually became a niche solution.&#160; It was great for delivering awkward applications to end users, especially when they were remote to some server, working from home or in a branch office.&#160; But the PC still dominated end user computing.<\/p>\n<p>Not long after, I remember a rather large consultant colleague from Berkley who derided me for learning more about Windows.&#160; Didn\u2019t I know that the Penguin would rule the world?!?!?!&#160; Hmm \u2026 anyway \u2026<\/p>\n<p>Then a few years ago we saw how server virtualisation was being modified (with the help of a broker) to take the remote client of server based computing and provide connectivity to centrally located VMs with desktop operating systems.&#160; VDI hit the headlines.&#160; I\u2019ve swung back and forth on this one so many times that I feel like a politician in election season.&#160; At first I loved the idea of VDI.&#160; It gave us the benefits of Terminal Services without the complexity of application compatibility (application silos) while retaining individual user environments.&#160; Then I hated it.&#160; The costs are <em>so<\/em> high compared to PC computing and you actually need more management systems instead of less.&#160; And now I\u2019m kinda swinging back to liking it again.<\/p>\n<p>This is because I think it fits nicely in as part of an overall strategy.&#160; I can see most people needing PC\u2019s.&#160; But sometimes, VDI is the right solution when people need an individual working environment that won\u2019t be interfered with and they need it to be centralised.&#160; But sometimes remote desktop (terminal) services (RDS) is the right solution.&#160; That\u2019s because it gives that centralised environment but at very dense rates of user\/server that just cannot be matched by VDI.&#160; And guess what: sometimes you need PC, VDI and RDS all in the same infrastructure, just for different users.<\/p>\n<p>But let\u2019s get back on track.&#160; What about RemoteFX?&#160; Would every user not want it?&#160; And what the hell is RemoteFX?<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/technet.microsoft.com\/en-us\/library\/ff817578%28WS.10%29.aspx\" target=\"_blank\">RemoteFX<\/a> is a feature of Windows Server 2008 R2 with Service Pack 1.&#160; In other words, it\u2019s a few weeks old (after heavy public beta\/RC testing).&#160; It allows Hyper-V VDI hosts or RDS session hosts to take advantage of one or more (identical) graphics cards in the physical server to provide high definition graphics to remote desktop clients.&#160; That solves a problem for some users who want to use those graphics intensive applications.&#160; Without RemoteFX, the graphics suck as bitmaps are drawn on screen.&#160; But RemoteFX adds the ability to leverage the GPUs, combined with a new channel, to smoothly stream the animation over the wire.&#160; It also allows client-attached USB devices to be redirected to the user session without the need for drivers on the client.&#160; Sounds great, eh?&#160; Everyone on VDI or RDS should have it!&#160; Or should they?<\/p>\n<p>You can find the <a href=\"http:\/\/technet.microsoft.com\/en-us\/library\/ff817602%28WS.10%29.aspx\" target=\"_blank\">hardware requirements for RemoteFX<\/a> on TechNet.&#160; And this is where things start to get sticky.&#160; A user with a single normal monitor will require up to 184 MB of video card RAM.&#160; That doesn\u2019t sound like much until you start to think about it.&#160; I\u2019ve done a little searching on the HP side.&#160; The largest card that they support is a NVIDIA Quadro FX5800which has 4 GB RAM.&#160; That means that a HP GPU can handle 22 users!&#160; You can team the cards but you can only get so many into a host.&#160; For example, one of the 3 or 4 <a href=\"http:\/\/h20000.www2.hp.com\/bc\/docs\/support\/SupportManual\/c02478570\/c02478570.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">servers that HP supports for RemoteFX<\/a> is the 5U tall ML370 G6 (not your typical virtualisation or session host spec) and it only takes 2 cards.&#160; That\u2019s 44 users which is not all that much, especially when we consider large multi-core CPUs, huge RAM capacities, SAN storage, and Dynamic Memory.&#160; I don\u2019t think this is a failing of RemoteFX; I think this is just a case of applications needing video RAM.&#160; This type of technology is still very early days and video card manufacturers are watching and waiting.<\/p>\n<p>There are special rack kits that contain lots of video processor\/RAM capacity that can be hooked onto servers.&#160; One of my fellow MVPs is using one of these.&#160; They work but they are <em>expensive<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>And then there\u2019s the other requirement: network.&#160; This stuff is designed to work with 1 Gbps LANs, not for WANs.<\/p>\n<p>So back to where we started: Should I plan on using RemoteFX for everyone?&#160; For most people the answer will be no.&#160; There will be a very small number who will answer yes.&#160; Think about it.&#160; How many end users really do need the features of RemoteFX?&#160; Not all that many.&#160; Implement it for everyone and you\u2019ll have more, bigger hosts, hosting fewer users.&#160; You\u2019ll also be limited to using it in the LAN.<\/p>\n<p>I think we\u2019re back to the horses for courses argument.&#160; Maybe you\u2019ll have something like the following or a variation of it (because there are lots of variations on this):<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>A lot of PCs\/laptops on the main network<\/li>\n<li>Some people using VDI with whatever broker suits them<\/li>\n<li>Some GPU intensive applications being published to PCs\/laptops\/VDI via RDS session hosts<\/li>\n<li>And a measure of App-V for RDS and ConfigMgr to take care of it all!<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>The PC is dead!&#160; Long live the PC!&#160; But what about the iPad? *running while I still can*<\/p>\n<div style=\"padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; display: inline; float: none; padding-top: 0px\" id=\"scid:0767317B-992E-4b12-91E0-4F059A8CECA8:7f91c143-87bb-448f-962b-80de39f34475\" class=\"wlWriterEditableSmartContent\">Technorati Tags: <a href=\"http:\/\/technorati.com\/tags\/Remote+Desktop+Services\" rel=\"tag\">Remote Desktop Services<\/a>,<a href=\"http:\/\/technorati.com\/tags\/Hyper-V\" rel=\"tag\">Hyper-V<\/a>,<a href=\"http:\/\/technorati.com\/tags\/Windows+Server+2008+R2\" rel=\"tag\">Windows Server 2008 R2<\/a>,<a href=\"http:\/\/technorati.com\/tags\/Virtualisation\" rel=\"tag\">Virtualisation<\/a><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A question that is bouncing around now is: Should I plan on using RemoteFX for everyone? 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